Salza vs Frieza (2nd Form)

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Salza vs Frieza (2nd Form)
Tweet Topic Started: Dec 23 2013, 07:58 AM (1,737 Views)
Gracek90	Dec 25 2013, 02:34 PM Post #16
Posts: 566 Group: Member Member #10,535 Joined: November 27, 2013 Gender Male	It is sad that I am puting a lot of effort to show you why Salza feats means absolutely nothing and you just said "Didn't read, LOL". For me he is weaker than First Form Frieza and he will always be. He is trash, just like Doore and Neiz.
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Alex D. Boss	Dec 25 2013, 05:53 PM Post #17
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	I don't know how you come up with the conclusion that Piccolo didn't fought serious against Salza , where in fact he used his long arm techniques to catch him , try to kill him , while Salza could hang on when fighting Piccolo. That should be able to put him at Frieza 2nd form.



Gracek90	Dec 25 2013, 11:38 PM Post #18
Posts: 566 Group: Member Member #10,535 Joined: November 27, 2013 Gender Male	He fought him in the same "serious" way like with Doore and Neiz. Even before the fight started he immediately stated that they are trashes, compared to him, after a brief grasp of their abilities. He let himself to be attacked by Neiz, and then he fried the lizard man. Doore also survived a one hit from Piccolo in the head with minor damage, yet he was killed like 10 seconds later? Piccolo killed each one of them as soon as he had enough of toying. Piccolo was able to fight with Neiz and Salza at the same time and he was able to kick their asses. Then he killed Doore with simple ki-blast. Neiz was able to dodge one of his blasts, and even managed to hit Piccolo with his special technique only because Piccolo allowed him to do so. As soon as Salza flied away, Piccolo killed Neiz with ease. Then we have Salza who survived few hits from Piccolo and was able, to scratch him once. The point is. In what way Salza is better than Doore and Neiz, if their feats against him are pretty much comparable? Salza could not keep up with Piccolo from the very begining of the fight. The fact that he blocked few blasts, and land one hit means nothing. In overall battle he was not even a minor challenge for namekian. Yet you are comparing him to a guy who was able to have an even fight with Piccolo (post Nail). Even if you want to say that Piccolo (movie 5)>Piccolo (Frieza arc), still Salza would be many times weaker than him. For me the capitan of Cooler Armored Squadron is closer to Kuririn and Gohan than to Piccolo.
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Alex D. Boss	Dec 25 2013, 11:42 PM Post #19
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	You don't get the point. The point is , someone like Frieza 2nd initial form would get stomped as Salza who was inferior to Piccolo. Piccolo is just miles ahead of the Piccolo of Frieza arc. We know this from his gains it was implied in Trunks as well as in Android arc.



Gracek90	Dec 26 2013, 09:34 AM Post #20
Posts: 566 Group: Member Member #10,535 Joined: November 27, 2013 Gender Male	And you don't get my point either that power scalling in completely diffrent than in the manga. Salza was uberstomped by Piccolo so easily that it was not even funny. We don't really know how much stronger Piccolo was. It is alternate universe so he could be even his counterpart from Frieza Arc. As I mentioned before. He called all three of the Cooler Squad "trashes" and he defeated them in handicap 1 vs 3 fight with ease. But let's say that Salza is at the level of Second Form Frieza. As we know Doore and Neiz are pretty much similar to him in terms of power so we have three guys with a level of Second Form Frieza. I don't know how does it apply to you, but for me it is hard to belive that M5 Piccolo is at the level which makes him able to destroy 3 guys in Frieza Second form tier at once in matter of seconds and two or three blows. Besides there is a problem with Frieza. Do you really belive that he would be walking around in his weakest from if he would know, that his brother minions are stronger than that?
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Alex D. Boss	Dec 26 2013, 11:09 AM Post #21
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Salza wasn't stomped by Piccolo , lol. What makes you hard believe that the minion couldn't be at that level? It is shown that Salza did much better than the other 2 retards. And what makes you hard to believe that Piccolo M5 isn't that level? Piccolo is shown to make big gains each arc in his prime.



Gracek90	Dec 26 2013, 01:53 PM Post #22
Posts: 566 Group: Member Member #10,535 Joined: November 27, 2013 Gender Male	He was stomped by Piccolo. He was nothing more than a child play for namek. He never land a single, clear hit, and he was constantly pushed to defensive. In fact, if Cooler wouldn't show up, then Salza would be dead in next few seconds. Because they never shown any feats that could put them on the level of the Second Form Frieza. They were not even a small challenge for Piccolo. By the way. How Salza was better than the two other guys? I watched this fight many times, and he didn't have better feats than let's say Neiz. He was able to land only one hit (or was he? It was cheap shoot which barely touch the skin of Piccolo), just like Neiz. He deflect two ki blats but on the other hand Doore survived a blast in the back. If you look on this fight, Doore survived also a punch. So two hits in total from Piccolo, then he died. Neiz dodged a blast, and then also survived one direct kick. Besides he was briefly fighting with Piccolo, and while he was not able to land a hit he also was not hit to. Salza? The only feat which could possibly make him better is the fact that he survived one or two punches more than his comrades. Other than that? He is trash, just like Doore and Neiz. I didn't say this gains were small or something like that but in between Frieza Arc and Trunks arc he still didn't closed his gap between himself and Piccolo. So the gains made by Piccolo are huge only when the plot wants them to be like that.
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Alex D. Boss	Dec 27 2013, 01:34 PM Post #23
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Show me where Salza got stomped. Whats the definition of "getting stomped" ? Where does it show that Salza got pounded in the ground? This discussion is useless.



Gracek90	Dec 27 2013, 08:09 PM Post #24
Posts: 566 Group: Member Member #10,535 Joined: November 27, 2013 Gender Male	It is, you are right? Where Salza was pounded in the ground? Well, he was not able to stop Piccolo when he killed Doore despite the fact that he ganked up on him with Neiz. He was not able to land a single blow on him in the course of the fight, while he was geting a regular beating. His ultimate sword was blocked by Piccolo with bare hands.
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Alex D. Boss	Dec 28 2013, 10:39 AM Post #25
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	I don't understand how you can't understand my point. I'm not arguing that Salza is a match for Piccolo. All I'm saying is that Salza being at 2nd form is fine even if he's inferior to Piccolo from M5 , considering that fact that Piccolo should be way stronger by now. Thats it. Thats all! Edited by Alex D. Boss, Dec 28 2013, 10:40 AM.



Gracek90	Dec 29 2013, 10:05 AM Post #26
Posts: 566 Group: Member Member #10,535 Joined: November 27, 2013 Gender Male	Hmm. I perfectly understand what do you want to say. I am only saying that his performance put him nowhere near the Second Form Frieza level. For you, the fact that he didn't blow up from the single hit from Piccolo puts him at the level of Second Form Frieza. Ok this is your opinion. For me the fact he was not able to land a blow despite the fact, that it was 3 vs 1 is the reason why I put him in par with First Form Frieza.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Jan 1 2014, 10:27 PM Post #27
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	I can see Salza beating first form Frieza,and maybe initial Sexond form Frieza,he did hold out well for a while
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